The well-known Russian political scientist Alexander Gelyevich Dugin believes that the war in Ukraine will by no means end Russia’s relations with the West. Rather, they are “just beginning,” he claims in a TV interview.
Dugin underscores his – daring – thesis that the West must now take Russia seriously and respect it as the “pole” of a “multipolar world”. Moreover, the West would no longer impose its own interests and values on Russia.
The interview was recently conducted by Russian journalist Vladimir Soloviev for his show Soloviev Live.
Dugin is seen as close to Putin, as a representative of the Russian right, and some call him a neo-fascist. How great the influence of the political scientist, who was born in 1962, is on Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, whether he is even “Putin’s mastermind”, as some believe, is disputed. The fact is that the Kremlin seems to be taking advantage of the publicist’s world of ideas again and again.
Just recently, in his most recent book, The Great Awakening Against the Great Reset, Dugin demanded, “We must attack!” Because “at the moment – as long as an idiot is in power in the USA”, Russia has the historic opportunity to “drastically expand its sphere of influence almost worldwide”. The “idiot” for him is US President Joe Biden.
Particularly influential to this day is Dugin’s 1997 book, Foundations of Geopolitics, which has been adopted by educational institutions across Russia. It advocates Russian rule “from Dublin to Vladislavostok”.
In the TV interview, the journalist Soloviev first stated: “We have reached the stage of a complete severing of relations with the West”, and then asked Alexander Dugin: “What should we do next?”
To which Dugin: “Well, I think that relations with the West are actually just beginning. If we are talking about equal, balanced and respectful civilizations, then now really is high time to interact and talk to the West. So far, the West has simply tried to speak for us, on our behalf.”
The West demands “that we play its games,” Dugin further claims, mentioning his 2005 meeting in Washington with Zbigniew Brzezinski, former national security adviser to US President Jimmy Carter. (A photo from the meeting has been circulating on Twitter.)
On that occasion, Dugin referred to a chessboard in front of Brzezinski and said that chess is a game for two people, not just one, moving both the white and black pieces.
That’s changing now. Now – after a war of aggression in Ukraine, which has already killed thousands of soldiers and innocent civilians – Russia is also being perceived as a player in its own right for the first time: “We appeared with our own program, our own interests, values and our own civilization.” Putin said: “No, I’m here, Russia is here and you should take that into account.”
Previously, the West had played for Russia. But now “the game is just beginning. It’s just beginning. We are now approaching a situation where dialogue with the West will become real. A full-fledged dialogue with the West becomes possible.” What is happening now means: “We are becoming ourselves and interesting for the West”.
The interview about Russia’s self-realization through a bloody war of aggression appeared on the Russian website smotrim.ru. Excerpts were translated by the Israeli NGO Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri). Dugin probably didn’t go into the consequences of the war in Ukraine, the destroyed blocks of flats, the dead and badly injured women, children and elderly people.
Moscow is now being accused of numerous war crimes. Western states and companies have severed all relations with Russia. Experts are already gathering evidence to charge Moscow. The list of alleged war crimes grows longer by the day, as does the list of sanctions imposed on Russia.
For many years, Dugin also held a chair at the Sociological Faculty of Moscow’s Lomonosov University – for international relations.